NATIONAL BOAT RACING ASSOCIATION

I'm a little slow...

On the "Step-up class weight rule"

What is the deal, does a step-up have to meet the weight of the class he is stepping up from?

Or meet the weight of the class he is stepping up to?

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  Which means :    if a yamato 80 steps up to run in C-stock , he only has  to weigh whatever "A"  class requires  - not  the  weight  required  in C-stock..    Hell of  a  deal , don't ya think ?

Hmmm...Well, theroretically the boat stepping up is a slower class, right?

Would it be too much of a penalty ( for stepping up) to require them to also meet additional weight?

They (the diver stepping up) is already at a cubic inch disadvantage. Adding weight to meet the weight of the class they are stepping up to would only slow them down that much more. Besides usually when a person steps up it is only to make a full field for the class they are stepping up to. So why discourage them from doing so by forcing them to add more weight.

Does not really matter  anyway - the only  time we are weighed  is  at  Natioal or Championship events  - in which step-ups  cannot  make  a class .  At  the local events, we don't  weigh in, soooooo  again it  does  not  matter .   Iam for  step-ups  as  I do it  all  the  time  to get  more driving  time.  The  weight  factor has  has never  been in  the decision as  to  step-up  or  not .   I was, and  Iam still aganist  the  rule , voted  no  and  would  vote  no again.  I don't  think   having  it will increase  the  number  of  entries in step-up , nor  do  I believe  not  having  the  rule  will decrease the number  of  step-up entries.   Yes, there  is  a cubic  inch disadvantage, but  in  a  lot  of  cases if  you  have  a super  fast step-up with  a  super light  driver , then it  may  effect  the  outcome  of  the  standings  in  the  original class, and  that  is  where  I have  the  problem with  the  rule.   Classes  are  classes  and  each  class  has it's  own  rules , if  one  wants  to  step-up and  run , then one  should  follow  whatever  rules  have  been  set  for  that class.

 But  that is  just  my opinion ,  even if  I get  beat  by  a  step-up, it won't  keep  me from  racing .   This  really  is  a  mute subject  or  rule since  we  don't  weigh  at  local  races  anyway.  

Does not really matter  anyway - the only  time we are weighed  is  at  Natioal or Championship events  - in which step-ups  cannot  make  a class .  At  the local events, we don't  weigh in, soooooo  again it  does  not  matter .   Iam for  step-ups  as  I do it  all  the  time  to get  more driving  time.  The  weight  factor has  has never  been in  the decision as  to  step-up  or  not .   I was, and  Iam still aganist  the  rule , voted  no  and  would  vote  no again.  I don't  think   having  it will increase  the  number  of  entries in step-up , nor  do  I believe  not  having  the  rule  will decrease the number  of  step-up entries.   Yes, there  is  a cubic  inch disadvantage, but  in  a  lot  of  cases if  you  have  a super  fast step-up with  a  super light  driver , then it  may  effect  the  outcome  of  the  standings  in  the  original class, and  that  is  where  I have  the  problem with  the  rule.   Classes  are  classes  and  each  class  has it's  own  rules , if  one  wants  to  step-up and  run , then one  should  follow  whatever  rules  have  been  set  for  that class.

 But  that is  just  my opinion ,  even if  I get  beat  by  a  step-up, it won't  keep  me from  racing .   This  really  is  a  mute subject  or  rule since  we  don't  weigh  at  local  races  anyway.  

did not mean  for  this  to  post  twice  -  lol - It  is  the computers  fault 

Andy Seay - 033 at January 12, 2011 at 10:43 AM

Does not really matter  anyway - the only  time we are weighed  is  at  Natioal or Championship events  - in which step-ups  cannot  make  a class .  At  the local events, we don't  weigh in, soooooo  again it  does  not  matter .   Iam for  step-ups  as  I do it  all  the  time  to get  more driving  time.  The  weight  factor has  has never  been in  the decision as  to  step-up  or  not .   I was, and  Iam still aganist  the  rule , voted  no  and  would  vote  no again.  I don't  think   having  it will increase  the  number  of  entries in step-up , nor  do  I believe  not  having  the  rule  will decrease the number  of  step-up entries.   Yes, there  is  a cubic  inch disadvantage, but  in  a  lot  of  cases if  you  have  a super  fast step-up with  a  super light  driver , then it  may  effect  the  outcome  of  the  standings  in  the  original class, and  that  is  where  I have  the  problem with  the  rule.   Classes  are  classes  and  each  class  has it's  own  rules , if  one  wants  to  step-up and  run , then one  should  follow  whatever  rules  have  been  set  for  that class.

 But  that is  just  my opinion ,  even if  I get  beat  by  a  step-up, it won't  keep  me from  racing .   This  really  is  a  mute subject  or  rule since  we  don't  weigh  at  local  races  anyway.  

You can protest a weight anytime you want to, just put up the money and go for it. You are saying that the step up is light because we never weigh. Well what about the class the person is stepping up to how do you know he is legal weight? If a person is light he is cheating and it should be stopped if it means getting out the scales!

Larry McAfee 

Larry, Iam not  accusing anyone  of  cheating  -   Iam one  of  those  who just  keeps  racing  - I do not  protest  - I might complain  here  and  there about  a  start  or  whatever  , but  like  most  of  us , I let  it  go  and  go on.  Takes  a lot  of  time  to  weigh  boats  at  every  race  and were  always  worring  about  how  fast  we  can  get  the program  done.  this  forum is  an area  for  those  who  might  want  to  give  their friendly opinion about  different  things . and  that my friend  is  all Iam doing .

I don't think anybody wants to weigh everyboat at every race. I'm saying if you think someone is light and want to protest it is your right to do so.

Larry Mac

According to Rule 12B  ENTRIES ,step-ups can not make a class in any race. Non champion races must have 3 boats of the "same class" and "no step-ups are  permitted in championship races or record trials." It should be noted that the rule says championship races. Three of the scheduled five NBRA races are shown on the web site schedule as being championship races leaving only two where step-ups would  impact races and they get no points anyway.

The problem with most rules is no matter how hard you try, there is a hole you find later on. When you try and fix that hole another is created. Step ups can get club points and this makes it important to some and I think this is the reason the weight issue has surfaced. Another weight issue not realized is the legal motors in other classes. If someone has a C stock it is also a legal C mod but 15 lbs difference in weight. Until someone protests I think its just a good faith effort to abide by the rules. If there is an issue then have the scales ready at a race and check everyone out once. Good living has made it a non -issue for me anymore.

Alan

Alan,  under new rule that  was  passed - the  c-stock  that  steps -up  only  has  to weigh legal weight  for  C-stock, not C-mod.  

John, if you are running an unmodified 102 ,202,or 302 in the CMod class you are not stepping up. You are running an engine designed for that class you simply have not opted to do all the authorized modifications. This is because the modifications are authorized, not mandated.  Jack

If you are adding weight then it poses an inconvenience, because when you take that BR with a 102,202 or302 and commit it to a CR class then you have to add the legal class weight. We need the legal stocks in the mod classes at local races many times to help fill the field. It would be interesting to discuss bringing a proposal up at this years meeting to allow stock class weights to be allowed in the mod classes that they are legal in. The mods should have the upper hand if they are running good and it would make it more inviting for the classes.

Alan Owen at January 17, 2011 at 4:28 PM

If you are adding weight then it poses an inconvenience, because when you take that BR with a 102,202 or302 and commit it to a CR class then you have to add the legal class weight. We need the legal stocks in the mod classes at local races many times to help fill the field. It would be interesting to discuss bringing a proposal up at this years meeting to allow stock class weights to be allowed in the mod classes that they are legal in. The mods should have the upper hand if they are running good and it would make it more inviting for the classes.